you can't have both things. you can't deficit hawk and make a claim about taxes. >> joy, let me let you in on this. mark zandi, from moody's analytic looked at the numbers as well and said the romney plan, the arithmetic does not add up. if you lower marginal tax rates across the board and say you make it up with unnamed deductions, the biggest deductions available to you are things like the mortgage interest deduction, things that have a lot of capital behind them. people want them. deductions for health care costs, educational write off. that's where the biggest pot of money is. since the romney team won't say that's where they're going -- when you talk about historic tax reduction, you can't compare the deep reductions from the kennedy era when we had 96% marginal tax rates and dropping those significantly and in the reagan era where you had a significant steep cut in the marginal tax rate, then you compare that with the clinton era where we increased marginal tax rates and had the longest sustained period of